Some random fannish things
3 Jan 2012 02:02 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
thisbluespiritA bundle of odd recs (mostly not fics, because we all need a lie down first after Yuletide. Probably. I do actually have some Yuletide recs, but now the reveal has happened, there's not exactly any rush). Hopefully, some things with which to temporarily beat the January blues!
1. So there is a use for the animated LOTR after all. Or a link where you can find some hilarious LOTR icons from the animated film. Just a warning, as some of the text is fairly crude in places, but overall worth a look for the LOLs, even if you don't want to snag them all. (Strangely, they satisfied my Tolkien icon deficiency suitably. And the one I've used here I feel obscurely sums up my somewhat surprising new approach to fanfic, even though I prefer to think of it as Let's all have mind!sex with Silver, but anyway... :-p)
2.
Eleven & Amy to the Tangled trailer. I am in awe. And helpless giggles. It's perfect and hilarious.
Tribute to the Doctor. It's brilliant! (It's been up a while and has many hits, but I don't recall seeing anyone link to it on my flist, so just in case you haven't yet seen it...)
3. A couple more sober ones now: For Those In Peril On the Sea by![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
lilypeters
I've been lurking about an original fic-writing comm called![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
runaway_tales for ages now (mostly because their prompt tables are amazing), but picked up on this series. I have no idea what's going on mostly, but these ficlets are snippets of fic (from someone's novel in progress, I think) set before, during and after WWI, and each one I've read so far is utterly gorgeous and comprehensible as a thing in itself. (So, it's fic. But only tiny fic. You can read one at a time.)
4.justice_turtle has been having a Shakespeare discussion lately. That reminded me of this fanvid I stumbled over during the hols - a multi-Shakespeare vid that's pretty cool. (Warning: they're all tragedies, so blood, spoilers, tears, death etc.)
In Our Stars - by Lothriel (Hamlet, Julius Caesar, Romeo & Juliet, Macbeth, Richard III, Othello & Titus)
Also, random is random: whilst away, I found this scholarly article on fanfic that, um, includes mention of my story (and yes, wait for it, which of my stories does it use to make its serious point - in amongst words like ludoistic and things?) Five Times Sarah Lied to the Doctor About Harry. *collapses into giggles* This was a quite hastily written fic done from a prompt-I-would-never-write fromakashasheiress.
I quote:
Vvj5's "Five Times Sarah Lied to the Doctor about Harry" (2010), for example, illustrates how companions can be centralized and provided a romantic tension that was entirely lacking in their presentation within the original textual world. Perhaps for fan writers such as Vvj5 the best way to embrace the classic Doctor Who with a romantic plotline is to bypass the nonsexualized main character altogether and focus on less defined characters whose sexuality has not been categorically wiped clean from the textual world in advance. The very notion intimated in this title, that romantic interest would have to be clandestinely kept from the Doctor, is a powerful hint that such themes were subversive within this version of the textual universe.
Whereas in fact, it was entirely written as joke, and I will quite happily ship the Doctor. When I feel like it &, admittedly, people might not notice as my shippy fic is always getting classified as gen by people. Ah, well, can't spoil an academic's fun, can you?
It does, though, have some praise for Teaspoon as an archive, which is nice. (Oh, andjohn_elliott, it also mentions 'Samantha's Turn'. None of the rest of you seem to be as privileged. You probably shipped the Doctor or disproved a point. ;-D)
1. So there is a use for the animated LOTR after all. Or a link where you can find some hilarious LOTR icons from the animated film. Just a warning, as some of the text is fairly crude in places, but overall worth a look for the LOLs, even if you don't want to snag them all. (Strangely, they satisfied my Tolkien icon deficiency suitably. And the one I've used here I feel obscurely sums up my somewhat surprising new approach to fanfic, even though I prefer to think of it as Let's all have mind!sex with Silver, but anyway... :-p)
2.
Eleven & Amy to the Tangled trailer. I am in awe. And helpless giggles. It's perfect and hilarious.
Tribute to the Doctor. It's brilliant! (It's been up a while and has many hits, but I don't recall seeing anyone link to it on my flist, so just in case you haven't yet seen it...)
3. A couple more sober ones now: For Those In Peril On the Sea by
lilypetersI've been lurking about an original fic-writing comm called
runaway_tales for ages now (mostly because their prompt tables are amazing), but picked up on this series. I have no idea what's going on mostly, but these ficlets are snippets of fic (from someone's novel in progress, I think) set before, during and after WWI, and each one I've read so far is utterly gorgeous and comprehensible as a thing in itself. (So, it's fic. But only tiny fic. You can read one at a time.)4.
justice_turtle has been having a Shakespeare discussion lately. That reminded me of this fanvid I stumbled over during the hols - a multi-Shakespeare vid that's pretty cool. (Warning: they're all tragedies, so blood, spoilers, tears, death etc.)In Our Stars - by Lothriel (Hamlet, Julius Caesar, Romeo & Juliet, Macbeth, Richard III, Othello & Titus)
Also, random is random: whilst away, I found this scholarly article on fanfic that, um, includes mention of my story (and yes, wait for it, which of my stories does it use to make its serious point - in amongst words like ludoistic and things?) Five Times Sarah Lied to the Doctor About Harry. *collapses into giggles* This was a quite hastily written fic done from a prompt-I-would-never-write from
akashasheiress. I quote:
Vvj5's "Five Times Sarah Lied to the Doctor about Harry" (2010), for example, illustrates how companions can be centralized and provided a romantic tension that was entirely lacking in their presentation within the original textual world. Perhaps for fan writers such as Vvj5 the best way to embrace the classic Doctor Who with a romantic plotline is to bypass the nonsexualized main character altogether and focus on less defined characters whose sexuality has not been categorically wiped clean from the textual world in advance. The very notion intimated in this title, that romantic interest would have to be clandestinely kept from the Doctor, is a powerful hint that such themes were subversive within this version of the textual universe.
Whereas in fact, it was entirely written as joke, and I will quite happily ship the Doctor. When I feel like it &, admittedly, people might not notice as my shippy fic is always getting classified as gen by people. Ah, well, can't spoil an academic's fun, can you?
It does, though, have some praise for Teaspoon as an archive, which is nice. (Oh, and
john_elliott, it also mentions 'Samantha's Turn'. None of the rest of you seem to be as privileged. You probably shipped the Doctor or disproved a point. ;-D)![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 02:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 02:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 06:05 pm (UTC)Also, lol. <3
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 01:06 pm (UTC):-)
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 12:54 pm (UTC)It was rather amusing. I am not sure why he didn't choose a show he was a little more familiar with to dissect. It's not as if there's not enough fanfic for a lot of other things about.
no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 02:51 pm (UTC)ETA: Am reading the essay and irritated that the author has managed to conflate 'Blink' and 'Rose' in one section! GAH!!!
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 12:55 pm (UTC)I don't know why he didn't dissect the fanfic for a show he knew a little better! Rose and Blink are really not very similar...
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 03:30 pm (UTC)He mentions Larry's record of the one-sided conversation Ten has with (as it turns out) his sister Sally and then says Larry has photos of the Doctor from various historical events on Earth - except that was Clive in Rose! *rolls eyes*
no subject
Date: 5 Jan 2012 09:41 am (UTC)Writing fic is indeed a better way to spend your time. :-)
no subject
Date: 5 Jan 2012 02:24 pm (UTC)Much better - fic's already nearly 3000 words long (managed to beat my "500 words a day" goal 2 days in a row now!)
no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 05:03 pm (UTC)It was a drabble I dashed off in about five minutes, during a period when the fashion on that forum was for stories set in an alternate universe where the Doctor was a loveable sex maniac. I'm not sure which was more embarrassing, knowing that there was somebody who knew me primarily as the author of that drabble, or that they were proposing to cite me as an example of creative reinvention when I was basically coasting in the wake of other much better and certainly more creative work. (I suspect, in retrospect, that the main virtue of my story was that it was short enough to be quoted in full.)
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 12:57 pm (UTC)an alternate universe where the Doctor was a loveable sex maniac.
Was that from the IA Altered States, or are there various similar universes?
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 02:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 01:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 06:24 pm (UTC)Some of what he says seems deeply off-base. For example, he seems to believe that a fic about the Doctor going off on a killing spree wouldn't be accepted to the Teaspoon archive, but of course it would (as long as it had appropriate grammar and spelling). Apparently my propensity to write New Who over Classic Who is because I am more drawn to the romantic possibilities of the New Who characters. And here I thought that I couldn't care less about romance in Doctor Who, and only write New Who more often because I am more inspired by episodes that I have recently seen as opposed to episodes I have had memorized since 1982. Ah, well.
no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 06:52 pm (UTC)Not only that, I'm sure I remember seeing one such recced on
no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 07:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 12:59 pm (UTC)You have been deceiving yourself, but the insightful academic has discovered your true, subconsious intentions. :-D
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 01:04 pm (UTC)I forgot to say that I love this sentence a lot. ♥
no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 06:38 pm (UTC)Also, both Doctor/Amy AND Doctor/River squicks me, now that we know that Amy is River's mother. I mean, both pairings would have squicked me anyway, but for different reasons (and before anyone starts, it has nothing to do with River looking older than Eleven).
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 01:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 3 Jan 2012 07:15 pm (UTC)He seems a touch off-beam with the specifics of Samantha's Turn. As far as I can see, he thinks that it exists because Evil of the Daleks doesn't — whereas, in reality, it has exactly the same relationship with its source material as A Season (Seven) With Zoe or those retellings of Human Nature / Family of Blood with Rose rather than Martha.
Also, I get referred to by female pronouns; whether this is a stylistic choice, or whether something about my writing made the author think I actually was female[*], or whether it's just MostFanficWritersAreGirls, I wouldn't like to guess.
[*] Once I came across a site where you'd give it a sample of prose, and it would say whether the author was more likely to be female or male. I fed it one of my fics, and it said I was female. So there you go.
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 01:03 pm (UTC)You want Evil to exist so much that you have rewritten it with Sam instead of Victoria! It makes perfect sense! He knows everything. :lol: Yes, it doesn't make that much sense at all.
As you say, fanfic can be fun. ;-)
no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 01:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 10:14 am (UTC)drinkgiggle incoherently. I know that MostFicWritersAreGirls but wouldn't your name give them at least some small pause for thought...?no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 12:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 4 Jan 2012 11:00 pm (UTC)I'll confess, I actually quite like the Ralph Bakshi animated Lord of the Rings. It's a pretty rubbish adaptation, admittedly, and that's the least of its problems, but I dunno, I saw it when I was very young and impressionable (before I even read LOTR, possibly) and it continues to hold an ill-advised place in my heart.
no subject
Date: 6 Jan 2012 07:53 pm (UTC)I haven't ever seen it properly, I just saw a bit of it once when I was a teenager and Dad was trying to work out how to get through the ZX Spectrum adventure game of LOTR he had without having to do something awful, like read the book. (You know, the sort where you typed stuff in and got text back and v occasional graphics.) I can't say I have any vivid memories, but the bit where they came out of Moria was what I saw & it did intrigue me to wonder again about the book. (And, no, it didn't help Dad win the game. He got stuck in the Shire forever.) However, they did use the same actors from it for the Radio adaptation for Boromir and Gollum, so it had some effect. And it does make amusing icons, I will say that for it. ;-D I hear it is very violent...
no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 11:02 pm (UTC)It is, actually. My parents were sort of adherents to the principle that if it's a cartoon it's okay for the kids, leading to such traumatic early experiences as that bit with the dog at the end of Watership Down, or indeed Boromir taking more arrows than the French front row at Agincourt. It was probably character-building. ;) Some of the voice-acting is excellent. I like Annette "Mrs Victor Meldrew" Crosbie's version of Galadriel better than Cate Blanchett's somewhat bizarre turn in the Peter Jackson films, tbh. And John Hurt as Aragorn, too, really selling some of Tolkien's more...er, baroque dialogue. It is, though, at the end of the day rather a loose adaptation, so your dad was on a hiding to nothing, I think! :)
no subject
Date: 8 Jan 2012 09:34 am (UTC)I hadn't realised who any of the other voice actors were; that is quite cool. As you can tell, I loved the Radio adaptation. Michael Hordern is exactly right for Gandalf. And nobody goes round saying MORRRDORRRR like in the films. Which cracked me up every time. (I think it's probably because I'm from Somerset that I found it so so amusing.) Plus, it was so satisfying to have Faramir portrayed properly.
Well, I think I read the books after that, and still neither of us could get past the bit where Merry and Pippin arrived. We stuck there saying 'Hello' forever. Oh, dear, those games are hilarious when you compare them to stuff now.
no subject
Date: 9 Jan 2012 08:57 pm (UTC)I'm just glad my parents never, ever got came across When the Wind Blows when I were a nipper, because I didn't see that till I was about eighteen and it still traumatised me. Especially me being a nuclear-anxious nipper back in the mid-80s... :D
Yes. I got the impression somebody involved in the films had read all of the appendices and other random Tolkien writings and made notes on how all of the Elven languages etc were "supposed" to be pronounced, thinking they were doing good by the original work, never realising that to those of us not fluent in Sindarin it might all just ended up sounding, well...a bit silly. Or they could have just made it up to sound "cool", I guess.
And don't get me started (again!) on the way the films just wreck the whole Theoden/Eowyn/Faramir-centric parts of the story. Grrr.
Heh. I used to love those sorts of games, back in the days of the old Spectrums and BBC Acorns - never, ever got anywhere with any of them, but it seemed like fun at the time. Kids today...don't know they're born... :)
no subject
Date: 10 Jan 2012 08:21 pm (UTC)Oh, I didn't mean to rubbish the films (Or even the Bakshi version, although I know at least one of my flist hates it with a passion!). I think both the Radio and films had people (maybe even Christopher Tolkien in both cases) advising them on how to pronounce things. What I suspect is that someone said something about the emphasis on both syllables being even (because that's how it's pronounced in both), but for certain people like Ian McKellan and Christopher Lee, 'equal emphasis' means MORRRDORRR. And thus I laugh and my suspension of disbelief goes. Besides, as I understand it, Peter Jackson used the radio adaptation as a model of how it should be done and went round trying to get everyone involved to listen to it. And, as I was saying, the Radio version clearly picked up Boromir and Gollum off the animated version, so it's all quite cool. (Although, here is my coolest David Collings fact: when asked which of the radio cast knew the books, Brian Sibley says that some of them did read it for their roles, like Ian Holm, but "David Collings was a devoted fan of the books and a great help in the Fellowship scenes." I totally knew he read stuff. You can tell. Although, given that there is not much info about it, it is pretty much my only David Collings fact, but anyhoo, it's a good'un.)
And don't get me started (again!) on the way the films just wreck the whole Theoden/Eowyn/Faramir-centric parts of the story.
Okayyy... This is the internet. By use of slashes you just created a disturbing incestuous threesome. I am not yet that radical, especially not with Tolkien. :lol: And, yes, I confess that when they did it properly on the radio version, I actually cried. (I mean, you'll have gathered I cried a lot at that point, but still. I was that happy to have Faramir done properly at last.)
Yes, kids today, getting all this virtual reality instead of a) waiting an hour to see if the programme would load and watching coloured lines, and b) typing stuff in with no pictures, and eventually getting so fed up you type insults instead.
no subject
Date: 17 Jan 2012 09:50 pm (UTC)Which brings me nearly to the animated LOTR...! ;D The opening sequence to that is pretty great too, managing to tell the whole story of Sauron and the Rings and everything very succinctly in a sort of shadow puppet style (and better than Cate Blanchett's would-be-portentous opening voiceover - sorry to keep having a go at her, but for me she's just about the only actor in the live action films who gives a bad performance, and it's not as if she isn't great in everything else she's in, so I put her down as one of those actors who can't bring themselves to take sf/fantasy roles seriously. They presumably take the payslips seriously, though ;D).
Yeah, I knew he was alright, Collings ;).
And yes, unfortunate use of slashes there... Although, Rule 34, you know it's out there somewhere, worrying as it may be. But yes, they might be my three favourite characters in the book, or I find their stories compelling - indeed the whole Rohan-Minas Tirith section. And I consider all of that stuff got seriously short shrift in the films. And Pelennor Fields didn't look anything like the "greatest battle of the age" - and Eomer didn't get his big moment laughing at death Beowulf-style just before Aragorn arrives with the ships, and Denethor was presented as just some nutcase as opposed to the tragic figure he should have been, and yes, Faramir! And... Yes. Wasn't too impressed with any of that. As you may be able to tell...
But typing insults was so much fun...! Although it's not as if they don't get the opportunity for plenty of that kind of thing on't'internet... ;)
no subject
Date: 21 Jan 2012 09:24 am (UTC)But yes, oh the defamation of character in The Two Towers. I could never enjoy the films in the same way again. :-(
Yes, but typing insults on the internet isn't the same thing. That upsets people and starts flame wars. Whereas your computer just told you it didn't understand/invalid action. It never started defriending you or screaming at you in CAPS LOCK.
no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 11:05 pm (UTC)Yes, we thought that bit was great, for some reason.
no subject
Date: 8 Jan 2012 09:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 9 Jan 2012 09:02 pm (UTC)Of course, what it really needed was David Collings... I believe in the animated version Legolas is voiced by the same bloke who does C3PO in Star Wars. Not as good, obviously. ;)
no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 08:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 01:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 09:55 am (UTC)I suppose we should be relieved they didn't find the cake!fic while they were browsing for examples...
(though that explanation I would very much like to see)
no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 10:09 am (UTC)No, fic can be musical. fic can be poetry. It just can't violate copy-right (well, aside from the obvious) and should be mostly the author's own words.
no subject
Date: 7 Jan 2012 01:16 pm (UTC)And, :lol:, I forget you sometimes call me 'lost'. That feels v strange. I don't mind being a spook if I must be shortened - I've got used to lost_spook now, but 'lost'? Heh.
He needs to look at what actually is, instead of his assumptions. He is not a person who has read Diana Wynne Jones much, clearly. Or CS Lewis.