Talking Meme #2
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ramasi requested: Book-to-movie (or tv) adaptations you like? (Or didn't like, if you feel like ranting).
My first thought was that this was a very nice question, the second that this could be a very long post if I'm not careful. So I made myself choose 5 favourites, setting myself a rough guideline for inclusion - something along the lines of "it needs to be something I've watched at least twice and should be where I read the book first". (And then promptly broke that rule with my first choice, as you do.) (The pics in this post, btw, are my screencaps, excepting those for the first two, which I stole from Google.)
1. Tottie: The Story of a Doll's House (BBC, 1984)

This was a BBC children's TV adaptation of Rumer Godden's The Dolls' House, made by Peter Firmin and Oliver Postgate, who made a lot of stop-motion animation, including Bagpuss and The Clangers. I didn't read the book until after I'd watched this, but it was one of the first books I bought for myself via the Puffin Book Club, and the TV show is very faithful. It also defies description. It's made in exactly the same sort of style as Bagpuss, so pitched in a way that's both deliberately old-fashioned and younger than the intended audience, but with dark undertones. It would have been one of the first children's shows I saw that killed off a main character (very traumatic and memorable for a small thing!) and the dolls' inability to move or express themselves to humans other than via wishing is not portrayed as this cute fantasy where your toys have a life of their own, but more about how frightening this can be for the dolls. I felt the dark undertones at the time; it was a big part of the appeal, but I can put names to those things now: powerlessness, lack of ability to communicate, and abuse. I had a very happy childhood, but the wishing thing resonated with me hugely because as a child I never really understood that I could ask for things I wanted, to the point where when I was 5 I spoke so little in class my teacher had my parents go and check in case I was deaf, because she was concerned about me. But it was just that so much of my world was internal. I was watching and thinking about things, that was all. And wishing.
It also taught me the meaning of the words marchpane, celluloid, flammable, farthing, and samplers. Especially Marchpane (which meansevil killer china doll an old-fashioned version of marzipan) and flammable.
Which is pretty impressive for a twee little stop-motion animation about dolls for young children all cosily narrated by Peter Firmin. And even though it's been a long time since I've seen more than this episode on YouTube, it would probably win for the book adaptation that I've loved most at any point in my life.

2. Pride & Prejudice (BBC 1995)

From something obscure to the obvious choice... but, I mean, it is, isn't it? All other P&P adaptations and most other Austen adaptations, previous and later, must bow down before it. This is clearly, in my opinion, because it has the most perfect Mr Bennet (Benjamin Whitrow) who will ever be, but the rest of the cast are pretty great too. I loved watching it at the time - and I had just started uni and had to go to the dreaded Cwrt Mawr Common Room to watch it - and I've got an awful lot of pleasure rewatching it over the years, on TV, on VHS and now on DVD. I have enjoyed some of the other P&Ps, don't get me wrong, but they had inferior Mr Bennets, what can you do?
3. North & South (BBC 2004)

BBC adaptation of Elizabeth Gaskell's North & South (with Daniella Denby-Ashe, Richard Armitage, Sinead Cusack, Tim Piggott-Smith, Brendan Coyle & Anna Maxwell Martin), which might well be my current Favourite Adaptation Ever. It follows Margaret Hale, who has to move from a comfortable life in a southern village to a northern manufacturing town called Milton (a fictionalised Manchester) and explores the culture shock and mutual misunderstandings that involves with the Milton people, especially the working class Higginses and the Thorntons, who own a big cotton mill.
It was on a smaller scale than some of the other BBC efforts from around the same time and it tried to do something a little different with the genre, but also the scriptwriter has done lovely work in adapting the novel - Gaskell can be really rather Victorian (understandably) - without losing the essential heart of it, or the relationships other than the love-hate romance between the two leads. (Margaret and her father, her mother, Dixon; the Hales & the Higginses; Nicholas & Thornton; Thornton and his mother). It's a lovely cast, beautifully shot, and I adore Martin Phipps's score. Plus, it introduced me and most of the nation rather dramatically to Richard Armitage, which I think most people'll agree is a good thing. It is still an Elizabeth Gaskell thing, though: expect a high body count and come armed with tissues.


4. I Capture The Castle (2003)

Adaptation of Dodie Smith's coming of age novel I Capture the Castle, set in the 1930s and narrated (via her journal) by 17 year old Cassandra, who lives with her fairly eccentric family in a semi-ruined castle somewhere in Suffolk. With Romola Garai, Bill Nighy, Rose Byrne, Tara Fitzgerald, Sinead Cusack, Henry Thomas & Marc Blucas.
I kind of have issues with this one (because unlike the book, it doesn't manage to hold onto its sense of humour in the last third and it tries to be a bit too modern/conventional in dealing with Mortmain) but I love it regardless, because of all the things about the book (which I love even more) that it does get right. Every time I read the book I have to go and watch the film, and every time I see the film, I have to read the book. And given that Cassandra is described early on in the book as "a bit too consciously naive", who better to play her than a young Romola Garai? The cast's pretty great all round, and they still keep lots of the distinctive narration from the book.



5. The Way We Live Now (BBC 2001)

The Way We Live Now an Anthony Trollope adaptation about politics, love, railway fraud, scandal and bankruptcy in the fast-moving, modern world of the 1870s, scripted by Andrew Davies and starring David Suchet, Cillian Murphy, Matthew Macfadyen, Paloma Baeza, and Shirley Henderson. This is pretty energetic and cynical, and it was where I met Matthew Macfadyen (who is really entertaining in it as the useless and caddish Felix Carbury), and that was one of the reasons why I was curious about Spooks. He wasn't so funny in that, but it was still a good viewing choice, & one for which I am grateful.

And that's leaving out Poldark, the 1970s Musketeer films, and the BBC Miss Marple, even. Choices are tough.
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My first thought was that this was a very nice question, the second that this could be a very long post if I'm not careful. So I made myself choose 5 favourites, setting myself a rough guideline for inclusion - something along the lines of "it needs to be something I've watched at least twice and should be where I read the book first". (And then promptly broke that rule with my first choice, as you do.) (The pics in this post, btw, are my screencaps, excepting those for the first two, which I stole from Google.)
1. Tottie: The Story of a Doll's House (BBC, 1984)

This was a BBC children's TV adaptation of Rumer Godden's The Dolls' House, made by Peter Firmin and Oliver Postgate, who made a lot of stop-motion animation, including Bagpuss and The Clangers. I didn't read the book until after I'd watched this, but it was one of the first books I bought for myself via the Puffin Book Club, and the TV show is very faithful. It also defies description. It's made in exactly the same sort of style as Bagpuss, so pitched in a way that's both deliberately old-fashioned and younger than the intended audience, but with dark undertones. It would have been one of the first children's shows I saw that killed off a main character (very traumatic and memorable for a small thing!) and the dolls' inability to move or express themselves to humans other than via wishing is not portrayed as this cute fantasy where your toys have a life of their own, but more about how frightening this can be for the dolls. I felt the dark undertones at the time; it was a big part of the appeal, but I can put names to those things now: powerlessness, lack of ability to communicate, and abuse. I had a very happy childhood, but the wishing thing resonated with me hugely because as a child I never really understood that I could ask for things I wanted, to the point where when I was 5 I spoke so little in class my teacher had my parents go and check in case I was deaf, because she was concerned about me. But it was just that so much of my world was internal. I was watching and thinking about things, that was all. And wishing.
It also taught me the meaning of the words marchpane, celluloid, flammable, farthing, and samplers. Especially Marchpane (which means
Which is pretty impressive for a twee little stop-motion animation about dolls for young children all cosily narrated by Peter Firmin. And even though it's been a long time since I've seen more than this episode on YouTube, it would probably win for the book adaptation that I've loved most at any point in my life.

2. Pride & Prejudice (BBC 1995)

From something obscure to the obvious choice... but, I mean, it is, isn't it? All other P&P adaptations and most other Austen adaptations, previous and later, must bow down before it. This is clearly, in my opinion, because it has the most perfect Mr Bennet (Benjamin Whitrow) who will ever be, but the rest of the cast are pretty great too. I loved watching it at the time - and I had just started uni and had to go to the dreaded Cwrt Mawr Common Room to watch it - and I've got an awful lot of pleasure rewatching it over the years, on TV, on VHS and now on DVD. I have enjoyed some of the other P&Ps, don't get me wrong, but they had inferior Mr Bennets, what can you do?
3. North & South (BBC 2004)

BBC adaptation of Elizabeth Gaskell's North & South (with Daniella Denby-Ashe, Richard Armitage, Sinead Cusack, Tim Piggott-Smith, Brendan Coyle & Anna Maxwell Martin), which might well be my current Favourite Adaptation Ever. It follows Margaret Hale, who has to move from a comfortable life in a southern village to a northern manufacturing town called Milton (a fictionalised Manchester) and explores the culture shock and mutual misunderstandings that involves with the Milton people, especially the working class Higginses and the Thorntons, who own a big cotton mill.
It was on a smaller scale than some of the other BBC efforts from around the same time and it tried to do something a little different with the genre, but also the scriptwriter has done lovely work in adapting the novel - Gaskell can be really rather Victorian (understandably) - without losing the essential heart of it, or the relationships other than the love-hate romance between the two leads. (Margaret and her father, her mother, Dixon; the Hales & the Higginses; Nicholas & Thornton; Thornton and his mother). It's a lovely cast, beautifully shot, and I adore Martin Phipps's score. Plus, it introduced me and most of the nation rather dramatically to Richard Armitage, which I think most people'll agree is a good thing. It is still an Elizabeth Gaskell thing, though: expect a high body count and come armed with tissues.


4. I Capture The Castle (2003)

Adaptation of Dodie Smith's coming of age novel I Capture the Castle, set in the 1930s and narrated (via her journal) by 17 year old Cassandra, who lives with her fairly eccentric family in a semi-ruined castle somewhere in Suffolk. With Romola Garai, Bill Nighy, Rose Byrne, Tara Fitzgerald, Sinead Cusack, Henry Thomas & Marc Blucas.
I kind of have issues with this one (because unlike the book, it doesn't manage to hold onto its sense of humour in the last third and it tries to be a bit too modern/conventional in dealing with Mortmain) but I love it regardless, because of all the things about the book (which I love even more) that it does get right. Every time I read the book I have to go and watch the film, and every time I see the film, I have to read the book. And given that Cassandra is described early on in the book as "a bit too consciously naive", who better to play her than a young Romola Garai? The cast's pretty great all round, and they still keep lots of the distinctive narration from the book.



5. The Way We Live Now (BBC 2001)

The Way We Live Now an Anthony Trollope adaptation about politics, love, railway fraud, scandal and bankruptcy in the fast-moving, modern world of the 1870s, scripted by Andrew Davies and starring David Suchet, Cillian Murphy, Matthew Macfadyen, Paloma Baeza, and Shirley Henderson. This is pretty energetic and cynical, and it was where I met Matthew Macfadyen (who is really entertaining in it as the useless and caddish Felix Carbury), and that was one of the reasons why I was curious about Spooks. He wasn't so funny in that, but it was still a good viewing choice, & one for which I am grateful.

And that's leaving out Poldark, the 1970s Musketeer films, and the BBC Miss Marple, even. Choices are tough.
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Date: 29 Nov 2014 09:24 pm (UTC)and i wouldn't have thought of musketeers, but of course! yes. it is brilliant and perfect.
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 09:12 am (UTC)The Musketeers is so perfect, I'm not sure how it managed to stay out of the top five. I even made a graphic:
(NOt that I wish to be a nuisance - again - but you could leave me a topic and then I would have to talk about something else you know? :-D)
Btw, I see you have written me a B7 thingy that I cannot yet see *shakes ficly parcel* so thanks! (I thought it must be a Yuletide gift and was baffled for a minute - what exchange is that? I'm not signed up for that! And then I realised. \o/)
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 10:24 am (UTC)and/or - you could talk about the NAs.
and yes! i have uploaded your fic, and i think at least one of the others, though i've written a few others that haven't gone up yet. the one i wrote for you is quite short, but i hope you will also like most of the others, which are also quite short :)
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 12:57 pm (UTC)Hmm. I will consider the NAs. I do not know how much I have to say about them - so many teenage feelings! Probably sums it up. I am not sure I still want to kill Peter Darvill Evans, though, you see. :-)
\o/ I feel sure they will all be awesome!!
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Date: 29 Nov 2014 09:49 pm (UTC)Though, to be fair, I disliked Agatha Christie's 'style' (please don't throw things!) and find her works tiresome and hard to read, but I do love 'Poirot' from Masterpiece Theater/A&E Mysteries. Which only goes to show how far I am culturally stunted. Can't read the older works, but enjoy THOSE adaptations on screen. I was raised on Masterpiece and I have loved the period pieces/mysteries they would show me. The only ones I found that surpassed the books was Sherlock Holmes (Jeremy Brett's version). I adore Holmes and loved the books as a kiddo, but even I could see some of the glaring inconsistencies (sorry, ACD, old boy). But seeing Holmes ON SCREEN perfectly rendered was a thrill. I even like the modern adaptation of Moffat's devising, though I refused to see it for the longest time. But he made no bones about what he was doing. So I suppose I can take some deviation from the text, as long as one is upfront about it and isn't 'making something similar and just slapping the name on'.
Damn, I'm rambly! Sorry. We'll just go with: 'UGH. POST GOOD. THANK YOU. MANDY LIKE.'
*HUGS*
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 08:42 am (UTC)For non-BBC things, I have plenty that turn me apoplectic at the treatment of my beloved favourite novels, so I know what you mean. One of my sisters once sent me out of the room because I was spoiling a film for her by complaining it wasn't like the novel. *sheepish*
I haven't ever seen the Granada Holmes, but I hear it's awesome and so is Jeremy Brett - and David Suchet is the perfect Poirot, just as Joan Hickson is the perfect Miss Marple, so yep. :-)
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 05:48 pm (UTC)Dude. This has happened with fav video games as well. NEVER mention Resident Evil to me (as a movie) unless you want a deluge of rage that will make your eyeballs melt, lol!!
OMG. GRANADA IS THE BEST ONE (imho). DS as Poirot...he made me love him with the first episode I ever saw. *Squeals in delight!*
♥
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 10:51 am (UTC)Though, to be fair, I disliked Agatha Christie's 'style' (please don't throw things!) […] Which only goes to show how far I am culturally stunted.
Today's lesson: not enjoying one specific author's style means you are Dumb and your tastes are Irrelevant. Thanks for this one, m'love, I'll have to remember it ;P (Seriously.)
I'll stop randomly nagging you on other people's journals now, your comment just caught my eye and gave it an itch XD Sorry. *hugsss*
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 05:58 pm (UTC)Sorry, sorry. I'm used to 'Bzuh?!' when I admit I have not read these things (nor have any interest in doing so). The one Christie tale I made myself read was filled with glaring plotholes, description that put me to mental sleep and an ending that was baffling and unplausible to me. That was more than enough. Though I'm willing to handwave any of that to watch David Suchet play Poirot. Man makes me giddy with happiness, lol!
*Blushes* I should learn that the Azzie will always know if there is ever even a HINT that I am being mean to me. *Kisses you* Kinda makes me smile, oddly enough.
*Adores you*
♥
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 07:08 pm (UTC)Teehee! Well, glad it makes you smile, darling :D
♥♥♥
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 07:37 pm (UTC)They are a different kind of appeal. And I know people who love and breath those works. Makes me happy that someone DOES love them, as they have earned that love by longevity alone! But yeah. Can't. *shakes head*
(Oh my. 50 Shades...terrible books. Mine are way rougher, but at least I'm not trying to sell it as a GOOD THING. Heavens forfend!)
It definitely does. *Adores you*
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 07:51 pm (UTC)To each their own, my dear! ♥
XD Yeahhh. Haven't touched those, and I don't want to…
*adores you right back*
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Date: 1 Dec 2014 01:19 pm (UTC)As the saying goes...
UGH. I haven't either, but I was made an 'unwilling participant' to a talk about these books. To say I aired my views and disgruntled the discussees is a mild understatement, lol!!
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Date: 1 Dec 2014 02:18 pm (UTC)Haha! ♥ Well, none of my friends are too enthusiastic either… Including a FF Harry Potter acquaintance who was a self-proclaimed "smut queen" XD
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 02:29 am (UTC)I misread this at first and thought it was an adaptation of the Henrik Ibsen play A Doll's House, and was briefly terrified by the idea of that play adapted for stop-motion. :P
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 08:44 am (UTC)Mind you, 1980s CBBC, you never quite know... 0_o
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 04:43 am (UTC)North and South -- yeeeesssss.
I'm not very fond of I Capture The Castle -- mostly because I love the novel too much to be really objective. And yeah, it does get some of the casting right (Cassandra, Stephen, Mortmain), but... I thunk the problem for me was that I could grin and bear the romantic subplot in the novel (because I loved everything else) but in the film, it's unbearable! The guy they had playing Simon was just awful, I couldn't understand Cassandra's infatuation at all, tbh.
Ahem. Sorry for the essay. Apparently I have Feelings about this subject.
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 08:47 am (UTC)And yet I just love it. I don't know, what can I say?
Feelings about I Capture the Castle are perfectly understandable! It would be a sad thing to have read it and remained unmoved. ♥
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 06:55 am (UTC)I must re-watch I Capture the Castle - I saw it before I knew who Bill Nighy was, and I'm sure I didn't appreciate him in it enough!
I've seen The Way We Live Now - watched it purely for MM (after falling in love with him in Spooks).
Haven't seen the other two though.
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 08:50 am (UTC)Ha, yes, you should always appreciate Bill NIghy properly.
I believe you once tried to watch North & South and didn't much like it. (We had a conversation about this once before, I thought & when I checked my tag for it, I could see I was right. I think you weren't keen on Mrs Gaskell & not even the BBC could persuade you otherwise - well, until they played unfair and brought in Judi!!) As for Tottie, I don't suppose anyone who wasn't around 6 at the time knows what that is, but I did adore it when I was a wee thing. You know how it is with things you imprint on when you're tiny!
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 09:10 am (UTC)*giggles* Indeed one should! He's worth proper appreciation!
Oh - I'd forgotten that, but somehow I'm not surprised. And, to be fair, it wasn't JUST Judi that made me love Cranford - though I concede she's the main reason! But it's got a stellar cast all round!
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 01:12 pm (UTC)Oh, yes, Cranford is excellent - I was only teasing! (Even if Judi is a big draw, obviously. ;-p) Even if, it being three Gaskell things in one, the body count reaches quite ridiculously high proportions.
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 03:28 pm (UTC)Gods, yes! The body count was horrendous!
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Date: 30 Nov 2014 05:53 pm (UTC)A few years ago there was a documentary on the 1995 P&P, which showed the same scene (Darcy's first proposal IIRC) from a couple of previous adaptations, for comparison. It was quite instructive; the impression it gave me was that the 1995 one was the only one where the actors were delivering the lines as if they meant them.
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Date: 1 Dec 2014 11:37 pm (UTC)Benjamin Whitrow was completely brilliant as Mr. Bennet! I adore him - despite Mr. Bennet's actual failings. I like Colin Firth and Jennifer Ehle a lot, but it's Benjamin Whitrow and David Bamber as Mr. Collins that I watch this for. The standard of acting in this version of P&P is amazing.
I've seen North and South too, though I don't like the book much. I read the book later. I enjoyed the mini series though.
I haven't seen the other three things you've talked about here. The Doll's House one sounds sad and a bit creepy.
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Date: 2 Dec 2014 05:35 pm (UTC)Tottie wasn't all that creepy, not really & maybe not at all to an adult - it was also very cute and made by the people who made Bagpuss, but there were these odd little undertones & what happened to poor Birdie. I adored it, though - I wanted a dolls' house like the one in it, but of course, I couldn't ask for that, either!
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Date: 2 Dec 2014 05:43 pm (UTC)Yes, I do! He sweats sincerity as Mr. Collins. He's awful to watch but you just can't stop. I have to remind myself that he's only acting, otherwise I'd be pitying him too much to actually watch him. :oD
Benjamin Whitrow is kind of so perfect, it's like he was sitting around all his life just waiting to be asked to be Mr Bennet.
Heh, I know this isn't possible, but if I'd been in charge of making P&P, I would have been all, "We have to make it now! Benjamin Whitrow is just the right age and he *is* Mr. Bennet!"
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Date: 3 Dec 2014 07:49 am (UTC)Hmm, are you sure you weren't? ;-p
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